jorence gutierrez: Thats observation haki XD
Kawaii Lenerd: Zoro had haki even before it was introduced , when he cut steel mr.1 he
used haki that time and sanji had haki also when he was able to kick
Forneverworld as: Furthermore, you're doing the exact same thing to which I had been doing
prior though on the contrary to your bantering of which you claim that i've
been arguing over pointless crap, you're actually derailing this page more
than it originally needs to be derailed, as my debate with countless people
on this page has ceased. To add more weighting to my argument that you're
an idiot, you can't spell. Your use of sentences are crap and literally
make no sense... Don't argue like you're righteous.
Nathaniel James: shut up...
Forneverworld as: "Everyone knows his" What the freak did I just read? Do you even know how to
use proper English and proper sentences to which are supposed to be the
message of which you're trying to convey to me? You're in no position to
tell me that I'm writing gibberish, because what you're just written here
proves that it's worst than gibberish, you adequate clueless asinine fool.
It should be "Everyone knows he's" and not "His" stupid. Learn how to use
proper punctuation marks; "Also," You fail miserably.
lyarunde: well zoro was literally the 'first mate' cause he was the first to join? :D
no? *gets shot*
Forneverworld as: Why open a topic when the answer is so freaking obvious... Zoro. * First
member to join * He's the second famous user of the crew and the second
strongest of the crew. Even Luffy feels that Zoro is the first mate.
Remember the situation with Luffy vs Usopp and how Zoro gave a speech
towards Luffy about the whole situation. Zoro is clearly First Mate. There
is no need to wait for an exact confirmation. His actions speak volume as
to prove that he is the first mate, protecting the crew ect..
Forneverworld as: Is it sad to argue over something of which is a relevant matter to the said
subject which is One piece? So now you're going to tell me the debate on
whether or not abortion should be banned is irrelevant simply because its
motifs and its premise is much different than what we call debating about
anime? Debating is the key word here. Debating can be taken to a whole new
level with which one argues over a certain specific subject, thus making my
debate over One piece NOT IRRELEVANT, you mongrel.
Flipp1234567: I don't think you understand what strawmanning is. I am by no means
twisting your argument. I was simply stating (quite poorly i should add)
that your descriptions of zoro having the qualities that he has purely
SUGGESTS that he is the first mate. Suggesting does not mean that it is set
into stone. This is what we're trying to argue. I don't believe fruitytrity
has a stance on whether zoro is FstMt or not. For the record, you insulted
them first with "shove it up your ass".
jack idonts: You know what, nobody in the world has the patience to deal with you. I try
to help, because you are clearly misguided. I'm sorry I couldn't do that,
but mostly, I'm sorry that you are just so freaking stupid and stubborn. If
you really think what you are doing is right, good for you. Let me know
when reality hits you in the freaking face. You can't debate nor construct
good arguments, and as such, you should promptly cease your bickering. Why
would you need author wording when there is proof?
Michaeljefferson9000: Well now I HAVE to.
Cooper Roll: i love rooster
itachi93674: Yet you still prove your idiot. You can believe his first mate if you want
no one is stopping you from doing so. Even I believe he is first mate.
However it's not official until Oda says so. Thats just how it goes.
Doesn't mean you still can't think his the first mate. Il put this in caps
so you can understand. I BELIEVE ZORO IS FIRST MATE I WAS NEVER DISPUTING
THAT WITH YOU ! It's just not considered official until Oda says so.
Forneverworld as: You come to this thread telling me that I sound like a pointless kid that
doesn't know on what he's trying to say, though it's quite evident that my
argument was to prove that ZORO is truly the first mate. Now you're being
bias and not of the opinion that Zoro is the first mate, when there is an
abundance of proof and events in which he Oda makes it look like he is the
first mate. You're a hypocrite, because you agree that zoro has CoC, though
there is no proof to support it! akin to my argument
itachi93674: He has both observation and hardening. He could have killed Monet if he
chose to do it. Tashigi states this. That was why Monet was freaked out
because he made it seem like he was going to cut her in half. Whether he
has Conquerors haki is still debatable. Personally I believe he does.
Vexacus TFOs: Thats cause Luffy refuses to die until hes King. He will continue to
protect his Nakama until he dies. but. Zoro IS the first member he
john snow: uhm well i think its allready stated when zoro tried to attack the
tenryuubito kaizo urouge said: a second in command with 120m? he doesnt
look like someone who would take orders that says something about the
Forneverworld as: Exactly, the qualities that Oda has hinted are what lead us to believe that
Zoro is truly the first mate. Oda is continuously giving us more hits of
Zoro first mate title; through his depictions of his actions on several
arc's. What you lunatic cannot comprehend is that Zoro is the first mate
due Oda's depiction of him as the first mate. It's been a day and you still
can't address my argument and instead, you're accusing me of not having
adequate proof when I've given you many examples. Moron.
Dimas Lima: uhh,dont think so
Forneverworld as: You're an illiterate piece of crap whom has nothing to bawe on this page.
You come up to me telling me that I'm acting like an idiot telling me as to
how I sound stupid for debating on youtube, which is what the youtube
comments are originally meant for, thus making you contradict yourself.
Furthermore, you continue to ramble as to how my arguing is wrong when
you've proven nothing to support your statement... You continue to make
false claims such as I don't know the words in which I'm using.
Forneverworld as: I'm well aware what straw-manning means, something you've riddling your
posts with. If you claim that, you're by no means twisting my argument,
then why are you coming of as a person whom does not wish to seek and
unveil the core of the problem? You come here with a petulant attitude on
trying to convey to me that I'm trying to protect myself, when you
literally have no ounce of proof. I'm sorry, but you're really ignorant.
Not wanting to check all of my arguments regarding prior is ignorant.
David Hume: Go back to Bleach! Wait, aren't you already dead? HOW THE HELL ARE YOU
itachi93674: U mad bro ? The fact that you have been arguing about nothing for 6 months
speaks for itself.
dordonii103: Can I join the conversation too :O ??
Lei Ru: So much for your own anime. Get the friggin off this page this is not about
dadidb: that's what haki is anyway..
jack idonts: Zoro is the first mate...
Naruto Uzumaki: It's me.
Forneverworld as: You can't spell, you don't know how to make a coherent sentence to which
for purpose you wish to convey to me of its meaning. You make several
hilarious mistakes that makes you look like a kid that's trying to sound
intelligent, though it horribly back fires on you, as you can't seem to
write in a coherent manner wherein everyone can understand you. Your claims
are all false. You've proven that you don't know what you're saying. Your,
you mad line is hilariously stupid, if not, retarded!
Mohammad Azmi: Kenbonshuco Haki
Forneverworld as: Either you're a maggot with a brain deficiency, or just another pretentious
troll making facts up as he goes.
Forneverworld as: you don't seem to grasp why what you're doing is wrong..so here let's do a
play by play- I've been doing this likely since you were in fourth
grade..so consider this an old vet giving you advice take it..or baww at it
like you do everything else...not my problem alright then: How not to make
a freaking fool of yourself by professor Watch Dog 101 class now in session.
you enter the thread with this post; Telling me that I'm an idiot, when the
debate was over, thus contradicting yourself. maggot?
Joshuamiller19570: Indeed, First mates are basicly either A. the 2nd strongest person in the
crew, or B. the first person too join the captains crew, Zoro fits both of
those pretty well :D
Brobi: This freaking chain of comments is too long :l
cricket546: uhh, yes.
tkkmr4: it was never outright stated that he is the vice captin, it's depicted but
cant be stated as a fact until luffy or oda says it (or i guess one of the
other crew mates but anyway)
Spy TiVi: I know , all mugiwaras , and all people have haki , but we don't know yet ,
if it is just luffy zoro and sanji who can use it , maybe robin or I don't
tkkmr4: keywords in your post ''shows qualities'' ''oda has HINTED'' i already
admitted 10+ times over that it's obvious he is portrayed as the 1st mate,
what i'm telling you,something you morons don't seem to understand is that
the guy who started this argument stating that it isn't a FACT, is CORRECT,
it isn't a fact. Is it obvious he is portrayed as it? yes, but can it be
called a fact? absolutely not.
Forneverworld as: I know some people are skeptical about calling Zoro the First Mate, but I
think it should be mentioned on his Article's main paragragh that rivals or
enemies at least consider him Luffy's Second-in-Command, It's manga canon.
You have other conclusions made by outside sources of the crew, including
"sometimes lead others to believe he was the true captain of the crew
earlier on", whats the problem with mentioning Urouge's line about Zoro as
well? Here's a Raw to Chapter 499 page 15:
Brook Soul King: and sword [man women ]
tkkmr4: haki doesn't make you faster....zoro's speed and sanji being able to ''air
walk'' have nothing to do with haki :p
InuEarsForeves: Although it is not stated, it is assumed that Zoro is the first mate. Oda
did say in the early version of one piece that Usopp was going to be first
mate so that part of his dream could be realized as being 'captain of the
Kaitn13: 0:29 Why did I think of Mickey Mouse when I saw Luffy there?
jack idonts: Don't listen to idiots that spew out grandiosity batcrap asinine statements.
aldo dandy: uhh, maybe
rob lucci: I guess you're right.
Forneverworld as: nothing too atrocious except for monstrous ignorance or immense biased-
claiming zoro is not the first mate, or that I don't know what I'm saying
is patently false and incredibly misinformed. Further, it shows you don't
know how to analyze when someone is the first mate, or not. Sad child. As I
said nothing too atrocious typical of the type of person you are IE: 15
year old Otaku who's probably never read quality fiction in his life and
thinks Zoro being the first mate is an impossible thing.
HaMashiach Yeshua: I think, Being a Captain also mean to become the strongest of the crew. so
soulbreakerII: Basically it's the vice-captain on a ship.
Hass Luffy: Don't forget sanji was ready to give his life up for the crew and his
captain as well. Idk know people always forget that, he had the same
resolve as zoro