Mitchell Ota: No overpenetration issues here in my Hartford, VT apartment. I load OOO buckshot in my Mossberg 500 SG.
Mitchell Ota: Bullet diameter of a 9mm Parabellum is 0.356 inch. The closest buckshot to 9mm is OOO (0.360")
Bayan1905: I have heard stories about the Winchester 1200's before and how some really like them. I have long been a fan of guns that were a little heavier and a little better built without all the alloy materials they come from now. I have had several Ithaca 37 shotguns, and they I think are about as tough a shotgun as you can come up with. I have a 1980 vintage Remington 870 that is super tough and have owned a few older Winchesters, one a Model 12 and the other a 1897. That Model 12 would handle anything I could put through it.
TheDrRJP: "amazing firepower" but not for use in an apartment house. "00" buck is ridiculous to use for home defense! Overpenetratrion-central!
You get MORE firepower with 27 pellets of #3 buck than with nine pellets of "00" buck.
Ask Massad Ayoob about it.
I'd like your opinion on the recoil absorbing grips.
Timothy Wenz: I have a box of 0000 buck shot. It's 15 .357 sized pellets in each shell. I just added a 3 round mag extension and a pistol grip to my Remington 870 P. I can move around corners with a smaller profile, the tritium night sights glow nice and bright in pitch black. I leave my front door wide open, I like to encourage intruders ( kidding)
alex fresel: contrary to the naysayers, if you have the technique, the arm strength and use this in the right application, it can be a useful tool, I think.
My situation is that my safe room is a largeish closet with thick plaster walls. Unfortunately, the door is up against the wall so I'm forced to go prone and and shoot out from the left with my right. My mossy 500A is unwieldy in this situation so a pistol grip preferably with light and foregrip will work better. Looking at the 20 gauge mossy as Remington got taken over by finance douches who freaked up the QC. However, might prefer an older Remington as the safety releases at the trigger instead of up on the receiver which is more ergonomic for a PGO.
I test fired a PGO shotty once and didn't have any problems with accuracy, pain or recoil recovery. Granted I was standing and prone will be a bit more difficult, but I think I can make it work. Will also be adding a foregrip sensitive light switch and a tacstar sidesaddle.
harleymichael83: I prefer the traditional stock because the points of contact that are established with a stock help with accuracy, line of sight, target acquisition and followup shots. In a high-stress scenario you aren't going to be pinpoint accurate and unless your eyes are in your waist it makes more sense to have the barrel aligned with your line of sight. Look down the barrel with a pistol grip and you'll give yourself a blackeye before the intruder does. Measure length of pull on your traditional stock and adjust the comb accordingly with spacers for a proper line of sight. If the pistol grip is so important at least get an adjustable stock with a grip to allow for shoulder mounting. Leave all of the tacticool stuff to the movies and keep it simple, your loved ones depend on it. Stay safe.
Tim Farmer: Shot gun's don't have 400 gr of powder maybe 35 gr of powder you need to do some reloading and you may learn a little more
TheAlexagius: what do you think of those 14 inch non nfa "shotguns"?
Johnny Pope: Hi, great vid. Something to add to further accentuate your description of why shotguns are now so popular for civilian home defense: The largest caliber we are allowed is .50. Anything larger is a 'destructive device'. The only reason shotguns are exempted is because of their extensive use as bird guns. So, if you're a civvy and you want something larger than .50, it pretty much has to take the form of a shotgun. Also I think 20" and under should fall into the riot/tactical/SP category since these are the only tube-fed ones that will hold 8. Nice Remington.
aonix kupm: The buttstocks/pistol grips for those winchesters are hard to find because of their unique shape and rarity.
An Tran: I have a Westernfield pistol grip shotgun. It's a nice old school shotgun
wigon: First, I am an former member of the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers with a good background in the use of shotguns.
I personally keep my stock on because if I have to shoot it close, I can still shoot it from the waist. The stock, allows you to aim your shots, which is important because as most shotgun-shooters know, you can still miss with a shotgun quite easily due to the tight shot-groupings at close range.. The pistol grip in my opinion is problematic in that it is very difficult to do a well aimed shot without hitting your face (unless you have some really strong wrists and forearms or have done a lot of training doing so).
I also always recommend that people put locks on their indoor bedroom doors as well as to get a dog with a loud bark if they don't have one. Even a little dog can be a valuable security system. But the bigger the dog, the better the deterrent. The other second, potentially life saving accessory to have is a bullet proof vest that is positioned right by the bed with your magazine pouches attached to it.. The dog and indoor locks can give precious seconds to throw the vest on and ready your weapons. In a worst-case scenario, the vest can be grabbed and held in front of you like a shield while you grab a handgun.
Speaking of handguns, it is always a good idea to have a handgun as a backup to your shotgun (and kept with a round in the chamber in case one arm becomes incapacitated). It's also important to do transition training between your shotgun and your pistol using unloaded weapons. Finally, it sounds goofy, but it's also good to do dry runs in your home with your weapons as well so that you can practice changing between high and low shooting stances along with taking corners and door ways (what in the military we call "slicing or cutting the pie").
If these precautions are done and these drills, (including drilling on weapon malfunctions using snap-caps), are practiced over and over, it can prepare a person very well for dealing with any home invasion situation.
Johnny Appleseed: Having SURVIVED a violent home invasion and having used a Mossberg 590 to do it a "pistol grip" is only good if they don't get close to you. If there's more than 1 and they're armed you'd better hope you have a stock on that shotgun to buttstroke the mongrels in the brain. These keyboard commando home invasion scenario do's and don't videos are useless.
max power: I have the pistol grip hogue tamer on one of my shotguns and that thing is fun to shoot, i don't shoot anything bigger than a low brass 6 shot out of it. It has its limitations but all my guns have their intended purposes.
Robert Vega: JIC good one pistol foreword grips, flash light, side saddle, and string with extra bullets on it with 000 bucks :-)
sycamorebacker1: I think it's stupid to have pistol grip shotgun. Put it on your shoulder and aim!
Derrick Bray: Forgot to add, out of all the guns my friend owned, this one always went to the range, period. I was once awaken to it going off while camping on a river in the early morning. My buddy saw bass jumping, feeding. He decided he would go fishing with it. LOL
Derrick Bray: Yes, I have shot one setup like it before but it was a Mossberg my friend owned. Talk about a gun that will tear your wrists off if you shot it wrong. It must be held to the side to allow the recoil to flow by you to keep your wrists intact. I stood a sheet of 3/4 in. thick plywood up at the range. I cut it in half with 00 buck in 7 shots. It's a handful.