Bayan1905: I have heard stories about the Winchester 1200's before and how some really
like them. I have long been a fan of guns that were a little heavier and a
little better built without all the alloy materials they come from now. I
have had several Ithaca 37 shotguns, and they I think are about as tough a
shotgun as you can come up with. I have a 1980 vintage Remington 870 that
is super tough and have owned a few older Winchesters, one a Model 12 and
the other a 1897. That Model 12 would handle anything I could put through
harleymichael83: I prefer the traditional stock because the points of contact that are
established with a stock help with accuracy, line of sight, target
acquisition and followup shots.
In a high-stress scenario you aren't going to be pinpoint accurate and
unless your eyes are in your waist it makes more sense to have the barrel
aligned with your line of sight. Look down the barrel with a pistol grip
and you'll give yourself a blackeye before the intruder does.
Measure length of pull on your traditional stock and adjust the comb
accordingly with spacers for a proper line of sight. If the pistol grip is
so important at least get an adjustable stock with a grip to allow for
shoulder mounting. Leave all of the tacticool stuff to the movies and keep
it simple, your loved ones depend on it. Stay safe.
alex fresel: contrary to the naysayers, if you have the technique, the arm strength and
use this in the right application, it can be a useful tool, I think.
My situation is that my safe room is a largeish closet with thick plaster
walls. Unfortunately, the door is up against the wall so I'm forced to go
prone and and shoot out from the left with my right. My mossy 500A is
unwieldy in this situation so a pistol grip preferably with light and
foregrip will work better. Looking at the 20 gauge mossy as Remington got
taken over by finance douches who freaked up the QC. However, might prefer
an older Remington as the safety releases at the trigger instead of up on
the receiver which is more ergonomic for a PGO.
I test fired a PGO shotty once and didn't have any problems with accuracy,
pain or recoil recovery. Granted I was standing and prone will be a bit
more difficult, but I think I can make it work. Will also be adding a
foregrip sensitive light switch and a tacstar sidesaddle.
TheDrRJP: "amazing firepower" but not for use in an apartment house. "00" buck is
ridiculous to use for home defense! Overpenetratrion-central!
You get MORE firepower with 27 pellets of #3 buck than with nine pellets of
Ask Massad Ayoob about it.
I'd like your opinion on the recoil absorbing grips.
Timothy Wenz: I have a box of 0000 buck shot. It's 15 .357 sized pellets in each shell. I
just added a 3 round mag extension and a pistol grip to my Remington 870 P.
I can move around corners with a smaller profile, the tritium night sights
glow nice and bright in pitch black. I leave my front door wide open, I
like to encourage intruders ( kidding)
TheAlexagius: what do you think of those 14 inch non nfa "shotguns"?
Johnny Pope: Hi, great vid. Something to add to further accentuate your description of
why shotguns are now so popular for civilian home defense: The largest
caliber we are allowed is .50. Anything larger is a 'destructive device'.
The only reason shotguns are exempted is because of their extensive use as
bird guns. So, if you're a civvy and you want something larger than .50, it
pretty much has to take the form of a shotgun. Also I think 20" and under
should fall into the riot/tactical/SP category since these are the only
tube-fed ones that will hold 8. Nice Remington.
Tim Farmer: Shot gun's don't have 400 gr of powder maybe 35 gr of powder you need to do
some reloading and you may learn a little more
aonix kupm: The buttstocks/pistol grips for those winchesters are hard to find because
of their unique shape and rarity.
wigon: First, I am an former member of the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers with a good
background in the use of shotguns.
I personally keep my stock on because if I have to shoot it close, I can
still shoot it from the waist. The stock, allows you to aim your shots,
which is important because as most shotgun-shooters know, you can still
miss with a shotgun quite easily due to the tight shot-groupings at close
range.. The pistol grip in my opinion is problematic in that it is very
difficult to do a well aimed shot without hitting your face (unless you
have some really strong wrists and forearms or have done a lot of training
I also always recommend that people put locks on their indoor bedroom doors
as well as to get a dog with a loud bark if they don't have one. Even a
little dog can be a valuable security system. But the bigger the dog, the
better the deterrent.
The other second, potentially life saving accessory to have is a bullet
proof vest that is positioned right by the bed with your magazine pouches
attached to it.. The dog and indoor locks can give precious seconds to
throw the vest on and ready your weapons. In a worst-case scenario, the
vest can be grabbed and held in front of you like a shield while you grab a
Speaking of handguns, it is always a good idea to have a handgun as a
backup to your shotgun (and kept with a round in the chamber in case one
arm becomes incapacitated). It's also important to do transition
training between your shotgun and your pistol using unloaded weapons.
Finally, it sounds goofy, but it's also good to do dry runs in your home
with your weapons as well so that you can practice changing between high
and low shooting stances along with taking corners and door ways (what in
the military we call "slicing or cutting the pie").
If these precautions are done and these drills, (including drilling on
weapon malfunctions using snap-caps), are practiced over and over, it can
prepare a person very well for dealing with any home invasion situation.
An Tran: I have a Westernfield pistol grip shotgun.
It's a nice old school shotgun
Johnny Appleseed: Having SURVIVED a violent home invasion and having used a Mossberg 590 to
do it a "pistol grip" is only good if they don't get close to you. If
there's more than 1 and they're armed you'd better hope you have a stock on
that shotgun to buttstroke the mongrels in the brain.
These keyboard commando home invasion scenario do's and don't videos are
max power: I have the pistol grip hogue tamer on one of my shotguns and that thing is
fun to shoot, i don't shoot anything bigger than a low brass 6 shot out of
it. It has its limitations but all my guns have their intended purposes.
Kurt Sheppard: I've been in Law Enforcement for a while and I have yet to see anyone carry
a shotgun with a pistol grip.
Derrick Bray: Forgot to add, out of all the guns my friend owned, this one always went to
the range, period. I was once awaken to it going off while camping on a
river in the early morning. My buddy saw bass jumping, feeding. He decided
he would go fishing with it. LOL
Travis Myers: I appreciate your review, and shotguns are one of the best choices hands
down for HD! But dont waste your money on a pistol grip, they are
inaccurate especially in a home defense situation. Pellets typically only
spread 1 inch per yard, so at 10 feet you only have a 3 inch spread. You
must aim a shotgun, and good luck staying on target and making a followup
Derrick Bray: Yes, I have shot one setup like it before but it was a Mossberg my friend
owned. Talk about a gun that will tear your wrists off if you shot it
wrong. It must be held to the side to allow the recoil to flow by you to
keep your wrists intact. I stood a sheet of 3/4 in. thick plywood up at the
range. I cut it in half with 00 buck in 7 shots. It's a handful.
docwilkey: Nice discussion on the subject.
sycamorebacker1: I think it's stupid to have pistol grip shotgun. Put it on your shoulder
Robert Vega: JIC good one pistol foreword grips, flash light, side saddle, and string
with extra bullets on it with 000 bucks :-)
jdirt2019: How can i get one?
lvfalcon: Obviously you have limited experience firing with a pistol grip. I would
not go duck hunting, but for tactical & home defense, they are great. But
then again, I am not a 100 lb and can handle a 12 gauge with a pistol grip.
Maybe for the little guys, it might not be a wise choice.
TravPitt: PGO shotguns are great. I have the Mossberg 500 Road Blocker, I added a
Knoxx Breacher's Grip, eliminated virtually all recoil, I can shoot
buckshot, slugs, all day long, zero discomfort. Also added a forward grip,
making the gun very controllable. At the range I can hit center mass
consistently at typical HD ranges. Stocks have their place, though, I also
have two shotguns with full stocks that I love.
Steven Brooks: I would say who cares how far it can shoot. This is an up close and
personal weapon, for when the attackers have already gotten in your home. A
quick, super deadly, light weight, easy corner cutting, and honestly
shooting this down an in home hall-way no matter what shot is going to
really suck for the intruder. The case... yea cool I can hide it in the
swimming pool. When the intruder comes, I know he'll be wondering why did
this guy just jump from the roof to the pool...?
Weapons Education: I now frown on pistol grip shotguns, my friend broke his jaw shooting a 12
gauge, in a pinch we tend to :"aim" I do love the Shoulder holsters! Thank
Arrington Taylor: ook closley mp40
STEVE P: could a shotgun like that be used for home defense/personal protection
G3175SE: Why? Would you rather be shot? Any gun is loud.
Weapons Education: Thanks for the comment!
sic615: damn tom i like ya buddy but crap your math is bad lol. 1983 was 28 years
ago. i would like to have ten years back though lol.
Weapons Education: Jump on broad!
miltystu2004: I have lots of range time and actual combat experience. Thats why I know
anyone who says they can shoot a pistol grip better than a normal one is
not being honest or has no experience. Like I said in a previous post,
they're fun but not better than a standard Mossy 500 or Rem 870 for home
miltystu2004: You absolutely, positively, cannot shoot a pistol grip shotgun as well as a
regular shotgun because its way harder to control and take followup shots.
YES they are extremely fun to shoot and the looks may be intimidating, but
that doesn't make it good for actual home defense. Ill take an 18" barrel
Mossberg 500 with normal stocks any day. Loaded with 00 of course. Just my
2 cents... Great videos, keep up the good work... 8 )
UnitedStatesOfSpange: its mint for clearing a freaking hallway. thats it thats why i have one
1997SScamaroNOS: Wrong kid
randar357: Good video
TheFirearmEnthusiast: I don't know how they measure things in the US, but in Australia 8.38 is
actually 8mm and 9.14 is 9mm lol.
SoundOfSilenceWolf: FN FNP? some type of high powered glock? 1911? (yes i know 8 rounds) ect.
there are so many good pistols out there besides the Mark23 (not saying it
is bad, it seems amazing. have not had the chance to shoot one yet) but
there are some great offensive pistols out there besides the good ol' MK23.
Roger Hudson: I though it was the Marshal's service that started to use them when
Kurt X: I'll take the speed and control of the pistol over the pistolgrip
shotgun.The speed of an assault combined with the timing of the attack make
the PGSG too slow and unwieldly.Unless youre being attacked by a bunch of
amputees,youre going to get out gunned very quickly. A pistol may not have
the power of a shotgun,but hits count.Good intentions do not stop
opponents.A pistol in close confines,is easier to control and engage
multiple targets. Read Suarez or Ayoob.Both give better advice.
John Hamm: I have a feeling you don't have an SBS
TravPitt: How much actual range experience do you have with a PG shotgun? From your
comments I'd guess zero or close to it. No offense, but you are arguing
from ignorance. I respect your opinion but, on this we will disagree. By
the way, I also have an 18" Mossberg 500 with normal stock, loaded with 00
buck. Awesome firearm.
aficionado74: Honey Badger don't give a crap!
SACTICAL BAG: I'm novice , so what does the Pistol Grip have to do w.../" Effective
Bill Coffin: Fun video! Did you ever do a separate video about steel? The proof steel
comments you had were really interesting, and I'd love to know more.
timmytyphoon: Pistol grips are great if you have very limited space for storage but you
lose the control of the shoulder stock while still taking up just as much
room in your hands. The barrel is just as far out in front of you when you
fire the weapon. They are great for storage but less than useless for
control when firing. You are better off with a shorter barrel instead.
filoIII: Isn't a pistol only designed to give you time to get to your shotgun?
12vietnow: My only issue with using shotguns for home defense, is the noise. Shooting
a 00 buck or even a 000 buck in a house regardless of size, your ears will
be ringing! Granted, I use a 9mm and if i ever have to shoot it in the
house, my ears will be ringing as well, but no where near as if i had fired
a 00 buck shell. So, i'm still on the fence about loading my 870 as home
Weapons Education: I agree with you I did a new video called pistol grip shotguns, be carefull
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