MackinacIs: June 25, 1876 I believe. Don't want to get there a month late.
Norguy: the aiming system look some kind of silly
top8889: SHOW HOW the SAFETY works..!!!!! That is known by few...!! top
nandoGdog: The kar98k is from WWII.
MackinacIs: @FtAbeLincoln That looks like a long-wrist, low serial numbered, two-click
tumbler Springfield carbine model of 1873. If it is, it's highly valuable.
I like the view of Fort Mackinac, too. Great place.
MGB1977Red: The 3 clicks are Safety, Load and Fire. The first click will prevent the
carbine from being fired even if the hammer is struck forward accidently.
The second click will allow the trapdoor to be opened for loading or
cleaning. The third click is ready to fire. This is the traditional single
action sequence found on many early rifles and pistols. The mechanism goes
back to flintlocks and percussion caps which required quite a number of
operations to get ready to fire.
albionsseed: As someone who has owned one of these carbines for over 30 years I cannot
see this happening. If the breech was not completely closed the firing pin
would not be in the proper position to fire a chambered round. If it were
and the breech was not locked down my feeling is that a jam would be the
least of your worries. A face full of hot brass fragments would most likely
be the result.
LoneRider52: I still deer hunt with a 1884 Trapdoor, sadly many years ago it was cut and
semi sporterized. However she's a shooter!
cookervillpop101: i found a mint condition 1873 for $1800
3rdconfederate: Compared with our muzzleloaders, that's a very impressive rate of fire.
SandhillDigger: Excellent Video, one question. I do not doubt the authenticity of this
weapon, but I believe the unaltered carbines only had two clicks on the
hammer where you demonstrated three distinct clicks or positions when
roostering it. Thanks for posting this, very nice and up close.
MGB1977Red: This carbine may have been used in Buffalo Bill's 1914 movie. He got
together as many Custer survivors (including 1,000 Indians!)and equipment
as he could gather up and filmed reenactments of the battle of the Little
Bighorn and other Indian Wars battles at their actual locations. The final
movie filled 8 reels of silent film which are now believed lost. Some
scenes from this movie were used in his second film.
ugslamma: @Bullzeye95 Why the foul language?
twforster15: Good rifle
ChromeGhost0219: was this the first rifle to use shells?
Rektek23: While that is true. The weapon was bad because it was very slow compared to
the Winchesters the Native Americans had. And a lot of the crappy
cartridges would get stuck in the breach. plus it's still really slow when
fighting against Mausers and lee-enfields. It was a good concept for the
post civil war time. but it really just looks like a combination of the
1861 Springfield and the Sharps. Tell me drexelur, would you go storming
Omaha beach with one of these? I still think this is a good rifle
DonMeaker: And the civil war era gatlings employed by Lt. Parker were a rude awakening
to the Spanish. The .30Army Krag Jorgenson used by the Cavalry is more
lethal than the M43 bullet fired by the AK-47.
SS13E3: "have you ever seen so many freaking indians in all your life?"
BuickDoc: @goodndite The army always prepares for the last war. The Generals making
the decisions about equipment were veterans of the Civil War. They believed
that rapid loading weapons would encourage the soldiers to waste ammo...
Steve Van Dien: Thanks for the info. Do you ever have trouble with yours jamming, or more
specifically with the ejector failing to work?
sven SHEEPSFOOT: 1:33 that little trooper second from the end...needs to go back to basic
training.... YOU SLOVENLY SOLDIER>>>> your not even aiming ..> no wonder
Crazy Horse's warriors went through them, like a dose of salts.
midorihafu: The trapdoor began life as a retrofit of the hundreds of thousands of .57
cal Springfield rifle muskets left over from the Civil War. They bored out
the barrels and inserted a liner of .50 cal, and replaced the receiver with
the trapdoor breech, but left the unnecessarily large percussion-cap
hammer. They later built more models with .45 barrels for the .45-70
woody3757: @FoxWood2222 well lucky you :)
Darryl Aoki: @pigwigpa Apparently, the original ammunition (or at least what was issued
to the 7th Cavalry) was copper-cased. Copper is rather softer than brass,
so it was easier for the extractor to rip the rim (and possibly the base)
off the cartridge. The cartridge could also get jammed in the breech due to
the pressures of firing.
drexelur1: Contrary to popular opinion, this was a very effective rifle for it's day.
A soldier could fire almost as fast with this single shot breech loader as
with some of the bolt actions, that were used by most armies through WWII.
The defeat at Little Big Horn has been unfairly blamed on this weapon.
NoOdL3z18: I have the standard long barrel version of this Rifle, it belonged to my
Great Great Great Grandfather when he was in the Army back in 1875 - 1890.
It has been sitting on family fireplaces since then. I have the 18" bayonet
and an older cavalry saber with it. All the parts move as they should and
there is even some grease left, no rust, no major cracks in the stock. I
will probably never fire it of course, it looks great as a
Alessandro Consiglio: serve il porto d armi
clewi1091: How much did these guns weigh?
Glenn Grubb: nice early carbine it has the proper long wrist stock and other parts like
the hammer that are hard to find I know, I have one made in 1874
MGB1977Red: It is curious that this firearm lasted as long as it did. Perhaps it just
comes down to the size of the 45-70 cartridge. It had huge range and
stopping power. Also, the Trapdoor is a simple mechanism that could be
easily worked on in the field. The muster roll of the 7th cavalry reveals
that many of the troops were Irish, German, French and Native American
(scouts). Many of these men had little education so simplifying the
equipment was probably a good thing. Also amunition was scarce.
bowlchamp411: i want to know y does it have 3 roostering mecanisims?
MGB1977Red: Custer's Last Fight came back to the Wild West Show in 1906-1908. The
public wanted to see this historic event even 30 years after it happened.
The last years featured WW1 soldiers in a Military Preparedness show.
MGB1977Red: One of the "Star" 1873 carbines sold recently for over $27k. Other sales
have been for $96k,$63k and even a remarkable $220k. The high dollar
carbines were confirmed Custer weapons.
hogsnplanes: I can't wait to get mine shooting!, no firing pin yet.
pigwigpa: Didn't the trapdoor have a bad habit of ripping the shell casing. I think I
heard something about it years ago, But it might had been crappy ammo
Brett Hobbs: silly? that system was designed a long time ago and was very accurate for
its time. there are many newer guns that use a similar ladder system
exactly like it.
MGB1977Red: Spenser and Henry rifles had developed their own cartridge system before
the Civil War. The first integrated cartridge, was developed in Paris in
1808 by the Swiss gunsmith Jean Samuel Pauly. One of the earliest efficient
modern cartridge cases was the pin-fire cartridge, developed by French
gunsmith Casimir Lefaucheux in 1836. The Springfield Trapdoor was adopted
in part because it was a single shot breech loader which would keep
amunition from being wasted.
educatedcockroach: @goodndite More of a cost issue, manufacturing practices didn't need to be
changed much to make them and pre-existing rifles and carbines could be
modified into them. It was still a good gun once the jamming issues were
solved, just a bit too late. The trapdoor and the M14 in the late 50s
(chosen over a version of the famous G3 assault rifle) have similar
stories: excellent weapons if they had been around a decade earlier.
FtAbeLincoln: In 1899 Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show replaced "Custer's Last Stand" with
the "Battle of San Juan Hill" as it's historic spectacle finale. The
Springfield carbine was used in this performance as well.
Dolpsgrenadier: if chuck norris is the one using the rifle, storming omaha beach might be
brokenlizardboys: the British Martini-Henry had a much faster firing rate then this because
they didnt have to rooster the hammer
albionsseed: I have never had a single problem with the ejector, but I am using modern
brass cases. Check out MGB1977RED's comments above. I think he hits the
nail on the head.
ahkoifish: The Battle of Little Big Horn was a battle that took place between the
Native Americans and General Custer where he had his famous last stand know
as Custer's Last Stand. It was considered one of the greatest military
disasters in American history.
Steve Van Dien: Excellent video. Any other comments on the Springfield's supposed tendency
to jam? I've heard that part of the reason for the jams at Little Big Horn
and Reno Hill was that these weapons were relatively new to the Seventh.
The soldiers, having little experience with the carbine, sometimes failed
to close its breech completely, which in turn led to jams. Opinions? I am
not arguing one side or another; as a student of military history, I'm
simply curious --
Ghstwn: Oh, and let's forget just how well the 7th Calvary did at Little Big Horn
armed with 1873 Springfield's. Opps!,... Was that a spoiler? :O Damn! ;) (
PS. Those of you without recognition of humor,.. just don't respond please.)
ColonelGeorgeACuster: These jammed alot.
hogsnplanes: @FoxWood2222 I had a spare I used, thanks. I will keep you in mind though
if I need another.
DonMeaker: The .45/70 like its precursor, the .50 Army was designed when you shot one
bullet to take out one man. If you wanted more firepower you got a Gatling,
or more men. Keep in mind that the Germans won in 1870 with the Dreyse
needle gun which still used a paper cartridge.
Nickstick25isawesome: Did the cavalry use winchester repeaters as well?