1873 Springfield Trapdoor Carbine




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Stazzo82: Poor indians´╗┐

MackinacIs: June 25, 1876 I believe. Don't want to get there a month late.

Norguy: the aiming system look some kind of silly

top8889: SHOW HOW the SAFETY works..!!!!! That is known by few...!! top

nandoGdog: The kar98k is from WWII.

MackinacIs: @FtAbeLincoln That looks like a long-wrist, low serial numbered, two-click tumbler Springfield carbine model of 1873. If it is, it's highly valuable. I like the view of Fort Mackinac, too. Great place.

MGB1977Red: The 3 clicks are Safety, Load and Fire. The first click will prevent the carbine from being fired even if the hammer is struck forward accidently. The second click will allow the trapdoor to be opened for loading or cleaning. The third click is ready to fire. This is the traditional single action sequence found on many early rifles and pistols. The mechanism goes back to flintlocks and percussion caps which required quite a number of operations to get ready to fire.

albionsseed: As someone who has owned one of these carbines for over 30 years I cannot see this happening. If the breech was not completely closed the firing pin would not be in the proper position to fire a chambered round. If it were and the breech was not locked down my feeling is that a jam would be the least of your worries. A face full of hot brass fragments would most likely be the result.

LoneRider52: I still deer hunt with a 1884 Trapdoor, sadly many years ago it was cut and semi sporterized. However she's a shooter!

cookervillpop101: i found a mint condition 1873 for $1800

3rdconfederate: Compared with our muzzleloaders, that's a very impressive rate of fire.

SandhillDigger: Excellent Video, one question. I do not doubt the authenticity of this weapon, but I believe the unaltered carbines only had two clicks on the hammer where you demonstrated three distinct clicks or positions when roostering it. Thanks for posting this, very nice and up close.

MGB1977Red: This carbine may have been used in Buffalo Bill's 1914 movie. He got together as many Custer survivors (including 1,000 Indians!)and equipment as he could gather up and filmed reenactments of the battle of the Little Bighorn and other Indian Wars battles at their actual locations. The final movie filled 8 reels of silent film which are now believed lost. Some scenes from this movie were used in his second film.

ugslamma: @Bullzeye95 Why the foul language?

twforster15: Good rifle

ChromeGhost0219: was this the first rifle to use shells?

Rektek23: While that is true. The weapon was bad because it was very slow compared to the Winchesters the Native Americans had. And a lot of the crappy cartridges would get stuck in the breach. plus it's still really slow when fighting against Mausers and lee-enfields. It was a good concept for the post civil war time. but it really just looks like a combination of the 1861 Springfield and the Sharps. Tell me drexelur, would you go storming Omaha beach with one of these? I still think this is a good rifle

DonMeaker: And the civil war era gatlings employed by Lt. Parker were a rude awakening to the Spanish. The .30Army Krag Jorgenson used by the Cavalry is more lethal than the M43 bullet fired by the AK-47.

SS13E3: "have you ever seen so many freaking indians in all your life?"

BuickDoc: @goodndite The army always prepares for the last war. The Generals making the decisions about equipment were veterans of the Civil War. They believed that rapid loading weapons would encourage the soldiers to waste ammo...

Steve Van Dien: Thanks for the info. Do you ever have trouble with yours jamming, or more specifically with the ejector failing to work?

an SHEEPSFOOT: 1:33 that little trooper second from the end...needs to go back to basic training.... YOU SLOVENLY SOLDIER>>>> your not even aiming ..> no wonder Crazy Horse's warriors went through them, like a dose of salts.

midorihafu: The trapdoor began life as a retrofit of the hundreds of thousands of .57 cal Springfield rifle muskets left over from the Civil War. They bored out the barrels and inserted a liner of .50 cal, and replaced the receiver with the trapdoor breech, but left the unnecessarily large percussion-cap hammer. They later built more models with .45 barrels for the .45-70 cartridge.

woody3757: @FoxWood2222 well lucky you :)

Darryl Aoki: @pigwigpa Apparently, the original ammunition (or at least what was issued to the 7th Cavalry) was copper-cased. Copper is rather softer than brass, so it was easier for the extractor to rip the rim (and possibly the base) off the cartridge. The cartridge could also get jammed in the breech due to the pressures of firing.

drexelur1: Contrary to popular opinion, this was a very effective rifle for it's day. A soldier could fire almost as fast with this single shot breech loader as with some of the bolt actions, that were used by most armies through WWII. The defeat at Little Big Horn has been unfairly blamed on this weapon.

NoOdL3z18: I have the standard long barrel version of this Rifle, it belonged to my Great Great Great Grandfather when he was in the Army back in 1875 - 1890. It has been sitting on family fireplaces since then. I have the 18" bayonet and an older cavalry saber with it. All the parts move as they should and there is even some grease left, no rust, no major cracks in the stock. I will probably never fire it of course, it looks great as a display/conversational piece.

Alessandro Consiglio: serve il porto d armi

clewi1091: How much did these guns weigh?

Glenn Grubb: nice early carbine it has the proper long wrist stock and other parts like the hammer that are hard to find I know, I have one made in 1874

MGB1977Red: It is curious that this firearm lasted as long as it did. Perhaps it just comes down to the size of the 45-70 cartridge. It had huge range and stopping power. Also, the Trapdoor is a simple mechanism that could be easily worked on in the field. The muster roll of the 7th cavalry reveals that many of the troops were Irish, German, French and Native American (scouts). Many of these men had little education so simplifying the equipment was probably a good thing. Also amunition was scarce.

bowlchamp411: i want to know y does it have 3 roostering mecanisims?

MGB1977Red: Custer's Last Fight came back to the Wild West Show in 1906-1908. The public wanted to see this historic event even 30 years after it happened. The last years featured WW1 soldiers in a Military Preparedness show.

MGB1977Red: One of the "Star" 1873 carbines sold recently for over $27k. Other sales have been for $96k,$63k and even a remarkable $220k. The high dollar carbines were confirmed Custer weapons.

hogsnplanes: I can't wait to get mine shooting!, no firing pin yet.

pigwigpa: Didn't the trapdoor have a bad habit of ripping the shell casing. I think I heard something about it years ago, But it might had been crappy ammo

Brett Hobbs: silly? that system was designed a long time ago and was very accurate for its time. there are many newer guns that use a similar ladder system exactly like it.

MGB1977Red: Spenser and Henry rifles had developed their own cartridge system before the Civil War. The first integrated cartridge, was developed in Paris in 1808 by the Swiss gunsmith Jean Samuel Pauly. One of the earliest efficient modern cartridge cases was the pin-fire cartridge, developed by French gunsmith Casimir Lefaucheux in 1836. The Springfield Trapdoor was adopted in part because it was a single shot breech loader which would keep amunition from being wasted.

educatedcockroach: @goodndite More of a cost issue, manufacturing practices didn't need to be changed much to make them and pre-existing rifles and carbines could be modified into them. It was still a good gun once the jamming issues were solved, just a bit too late. The trapdoor and the M14 in the late 50s (chosen over a version of the famous G3 assault rifle) have similar stories: excellent weapons if they had been around a decade earlier.

FtAbeLincoln: In 1899 Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show replaced "Custer's Last Stand" with the "Battle of San Juan Hill" as it's historic spectacle finale. The Springfield carbine was used in this performance as well.

Dolpsgrenadier: if chuck norris is the one using the rifle, storming omaha beach might be feasible.

brokenlizardboys: the British Martini-Henry had a much faster firing rate then this because they didnt have to rooster the hammer

albionsseed: I have never had a single problem with the ejector, but I am using modern brass cases. Check out MGB1977RED's comments above. I think he hits the nail on the head.

ahkoifish: The Battle of Little Big Horn was a battle that took place between the Native Americans and General Custer where he had his famous last stand know as Custer's Last Stand. It was considered one of the greatest military disasters in American history.

Steve Van Dien: Excellent video. Any other comments on the Springfield's supposed tendency to jam? I've heard that part of the reason for the jams at Little Big Horn and Reno Hill was that these weapons were relatively new to the Seventh. The soldiers, having little experience with the carbine, sometimes failed to close its breech completely, which in turn led to jams. Opinions? I am not arguing one side or another; as a student of military history, I'm simply curious --

Ghstwn: Oh, and let's forget just how well the 7th Calvary did at Little Big Horn armed with 1873 Springfield's. Opps!,... Was that a spoiler? :O Damn! ;) ( PS. Those of you without recognition of humor,.. just don't respond please.)

ColonelGeorgeACuster: These jammed alot.

hogsnplanes: @FoxWood2222 I had a spare I used, thanks. I will keep you in mind though if I need another.

DonMeaker: The .45/70 like its precursor, the .50 Army was designed when you shot one bullet to take out one man. If you wanted more firepower you got a Gatling, or more men. Keep in mind that the Germans won in 1870 with the Dreyse needle gun which still used a paper cartridge.

Nickstick25isawesome: Did the cavalry use winchester repeaters as well?

Cert: Building stuff is always in my family gene. My dad is a new york auto technician and taught me everything I need to know about cars. Now I sell car parts online to suppliment my income. So it does help when there's good guidance.
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